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Alan I went to the runboard for the Flying Oriental Rollers and it was great. Can you give us a little bit more on where the club is going ie flies, acquaring stock, and the news letter. I was talking to Jack and Brandee last sunday and he said he had got some birds from you and was starting to fly them. We have our next meeting at there place so I look forward to seeing them in person since it has been over 20 years since I have seen any.Any info would be greatly appreciated.
Ed Zwar
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Hi Ed,
The Flying Oriental Roller Society was inactive for about 3 years and I struggled for about 6 months with the decision of whether or not to kick start it again and finally went out on a limb and did it the first of this year. It's going great so far.
We have about 50 members now and a high interest in the breed.
We put out a very good (or so they say) quarterly newsletter with many articles on the FOR and the Pigeon fancy in general. We had more than 20 articles in the last bulletin, most were in depth. It was a Bird of Prey special issue, focusing on the BOP and the FOR.
We have already ordered 1000 FORS bands for 2009
Availability of FOR's is very limited and demand is very high. Because of this fact, most people buy the young birds and stock them and fly out the squeekers.
We have a website, forum
and a column ad in Purebred Pigeon Magazine. We are an affiliate club with the NPA and NPRA.. so far everyone gets along and is excited about the direction of the club and the breed. One member even predicted we would have more members than the NBRC in 10 years hahaha
We have National fly rules all set but nothing will happen till this fall.
We have also changed the FOR standard with the NPA.. so I believe we are settled and in the air and doing back flips! 
If anyone would like a free sample of our newsletter, please give me your email address and I'll gladly send you one.
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Alan sign me up for one
enzwar@cox.net
What kind of plans are you all looking at for flies and do you have some where we can go to and look at the rules for them. I also seen you guys are looking into some tipe of Auction when this happens send me a e-mail I would be interested to see what is on it.
Ed Zwar
P.S. Are you flying any of your FOR's
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The FORS Honor Fly Competition Rules
The Oriental Roller is a versatile high flyer with many types of performance. To promote and preserve the breed as near to the initial intent of the breed, all of its various types of performance should be recognized and scored. Because the Oriental is a high flyer this will be taken into consideration by awarding one point for each minute the kit stays in the air after time in is called up to thirty points. If the birds are too high to discern the type of performance then one point will be awarded for each performance at the judge’s discretion. The judge should have a manual counter and an assistant. Birds are to be inspected by the judge before the fly. Any pigeon that does not have the minimum number of 13 tail feathers or has an oil gland is dis-qualified. Missing or broken feathers are not a DQ. The handler may replace any disqualified pigeon. A contestant may fly three, five, or seven birds. The total raw score will be divided by the number of birds flying. All judge’s decisions are final so be nice to the judge. The contest-ant is responsible to see that the judge has a manual counter and two stop watches.
Performances to be scored are:
Rolling award 1 point
Tumbles or loose roll award 1 point
Plate roll or side spin award 1 point
Barrel rolls award 1 point
Combination of any of the above 1 point. Dives greater than 15 feet 1 point.
10 points will be given for putting up a kit whether it is DQ’ed or not
10 points will be awarded for a kit that flies at least twenty minutes
1 point for each minute the kit is in the air after 20 minutes up a max of 30 points
Scoring continues as long as the kit is in the air.
Flying time is a minimum fifteen minutes. Kit handler has up to 2 minutes to call time-in to start scoring otherwise the judge will start judging after 2 minutes.
The contestant can call up to two 5 minute time outs for hawk attacks or when kits are out of view or other unforeseen disturbance.
If any bird lands before the minimum fifteen minutes the scoring is terminated.
The kit is dis-qualified if a pigeon is purposely encouraged to fly by anyone after time in is called.
Out-birds will not be scored until they get back to the kit. AN OUT-BIRD IS A PIGEON THAT IS OBVIOUSLY NOT FLYING AS PART OF THE KIT.
Pigeons that roll deep and continue to perform away from the kit but are working back to the kit are not out-birds and all performances are scored.
When the kit breaks apart and pigeons are performing separately but are working toward reforming a kit, all performances are scored. This is important to know especially when judging small kits. An active 3-bird kit might not appear to be performing as a team during the majority of the flying time! At the same time they can’t be flying in different parts of the sky all the time and still be called a kit. All judges’ decisions are final.
So that deeper performing birds are not penalized there will be a quality multiplier applied to the raw score. It is as follows. The judge and his second shall concur as to the quality multi-plier.
Quality Multiplier
10 feet or less 1.0 multiplier
15-20 feet 1.2 multiplier
25-30 feet 1.3 multiplier
35-40 feet 1.5 multiplier
45-50 feet 1.6 multiplier
55-60 feet 1.8 multiplier
65-75 feet 1.9 multiplier
75 plus 2.0 multiplier
This will always be subjective and the judges second should look for depth on a stop watch. One second per ten feet seems to be an accepted depth calculation now days. Some will be deeper and some will be shallower but it will eliminate subjectivity where one mans ten is an-other mans twenty.
The judge and second should collectively decide the quality multiplier. Notice I did not include 11-14, 21-24, etc. That is because no man can tell a foot or two differ-ence. The birds should perform for a greater majority of time at the quality depth agreed on by the judges.
The final score will be:
The raw score X the multiplier
+ 10 points for entering
+ 10 points for exceeding twenty minutes
+ (X) points up to thirty for time over twenty minutes
TOTAL
The contestant can fly either three, five, or seven birds, and the number of birds called in will divide into the raw score. If one drops early, the scoring will be terminated and the score totaled up. The birds have to kit to score, there is no disqualification for roll downs, or landing after the minimum fifteen minutes.
The birds are to be judged by someone other than the owner, preferably a knowledgeable roller judge, but for this contest if one cannot be found, we will take whomsoever you can get to do it! Along with the score sheet, the judge needs to submit a description of the fly (in his own words), with the approximate weather conditions and a phone number where and when he/she can be reached. The only requirement to participate in the Honor fly is to be a paid up member in good standing in the Flying Oriental Roller Society and a ten dollar entry fee.
There will be four flies yearly and the first competition will be from Jan 1st. until April 1st, the second from April 2nd until July 1st. And the third will be from July 2nd until September 1st. The last contest for the year will be from September 2nd until December 31st there will be a winner for the best kit in each of the competitions and a winner for the most total points scored for the calendar year.
The Flying Oriental Roller Performance Defined
The following is a description of the types of most of the performances of the Flying Oriental Roller.
ROLLING: Rolling is backward spinning or somersaults of at least 2 revolutions. It is a smooth continu-ous motion without pause, hitching or other interruption. Wings are moving but undetectable and the body is perpendicular to the ground. Revolutions may be high velocity or slow, short (less than 10’) or deep (more than 10’). Rolling may occur as a drop straight down or from above the kit back into the kit or through the kit. Often a pigeon will fly ahead and above the kit and roll diagonally back into the kit.
PLATE SPIN or FLAT SPIN: Wings are extended flat out to the sides with the pigeon spiraling down without wing movement. Variations on the Plate Spin are: Wings held in a V while the pigeon is spiraling downward. One wing held up and the other held out flat forming an L shape with the pigeon spiraling downward.
TUMBLE: Backward flipping usually with wing movement detectable. Tumbles may be fast or slow, short or deep but more often short. The pigeon’s body is typically skewed right or left from perpendicu-lar.
SPIRAL DIVE or BARREL ROLL: The pigeon holds wings back and rotates around its axis. These ax-ial spins can be performed as single or in multiple rotations usually during a dive but may happen in level flight or even while climbing. Spins can be fast or slow, single or multiple spirals.
LOOP: Swooping up and curving over the top and completing a full circle of a few feet to as much as fifty feet in diameter and perpendicular to the ground. Loops can be singe or multiple. Multiple loops are generally smaller and appear similar to drawing a series of loose circles across a piece of paper without lifting the pencil.
FORWARD ROLL: Opposite direction of the Roll. These are not common but typically happen at the end of a long ROLL or long TUMBLE. Occasionally, an odd pigeon will execute this maneuver in level flight. It is usually a single flip but may be 3 or 4 consecutive FORWARD ROLLS. This maneuver almost seems accidental.
TAIL SLIDE or TAIL RIDING: Wings held in a deep V, tail is elevated while pigeon drops. This maneu-ver, while sometime spectacular, is not scored on its own as nearly all young Oriental Rollers tail ride while developing other aerial performance.
SINGLE FLIPS or SINGLE TUMBLES: Single flips or tumbles are many times performed alone. These maneuvers can be so fast the uninitiated might not notice them. They are most often performed in level flight. Many times the bird will not even break from the kit.
TWIZZLE: spinning in a horizontal motion as if the tip one wing is anchored in place for one or more revolutions. Usually done in several revolutions.
COMBINATION MANEUVERS: Combinations of any two or more of the above maneuvers. EXAMPLES: Tail Slide with a single flip at the end; Single flip followed with a single Plate Spin; Tumble - Tail Slide – Tumble. Roll – twizzle - tail ride. In these examples maneuvers that would not normally score will score if done in combination with a different maneuver.
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Alan that is a bunch to remember do you all have any judges that have judged these birds before for major flies? Again are you flying any birds at your place now? Do you all see some sort of comp. like the world cup coming to the FOR's or is it going to be more of a judge the flier and one other person?
Ed Zwar
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I do not see a WC type comp for the club in the immediate future. The FOR is a rare breed. Comps will be on an honor fly basis for now. At this time comps are not our priority. There's not enough birds to go around for now.
There's been such a demand for the birds I have regrettably let almost everything I was flying go. I am training more young birds as we speak. It will be quite a while before I have a good kit up and performing for you to see.
I am now sending you the Sping 2008 issue of the newsletter
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Hey Alan , sign Jack up ! 
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I am not sure when we will do the auction, but we have one planned.
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We have the auction information set up and even a few donated items already. You can view it HERE
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