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Here's an e-mail I received. Thought I 'd post it here in case someone has comments....
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Hello everyone,
    Check your mail for your new and improved tax bill. Just when I thought it couldn't get any worse, my bill went up another 13.4% ! I don't know about you but, I think we have had enough. I took a look at the year over year increases and it really points out the injustice of Barnstead taxation.
Year % increase
 
2002 7.85%
2003 0%
2004 84.82% !
2005 11.47%
2006 11.47%
2007 13.37%
 
From 2002 to 2007 my taxes and probably yours have increase 152%
 
Does anyone have any ideas on how to address this issue? It seems trying to talk to the town is a waste of time. Are there people at the statehouse that we could contact? If anyone has any information that would help point me in the right direction, I'd appreciate it. I've been on the lake for 15 years now and I'd really like to keep my place for my kids.
 
Thanks for listening
Take care
Frank Pierce
Porcupine Point
Upper Suncook Lake

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from John Hagopian
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I am a full-time resident on Suncook Lake. I contacted the Selectman's office yesterday, and asked if taxes had gone up. The woman I spoke to said yes. I asked why. She said because the State told the town to raise them.
 
This is the mentality we are dealing with in this town. So I am not really sure what we can do. I know one thing though, and that is that this school system, which takes the majority of our property taxes, is killing us.

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Hi,
I also have a place on Suncook Pond, but I'm not a resident of Barnstead, which I think is true of most of the lake property owners. I don't get to vote at town meetings or school budget meetings where the budget is set.
 
A look at my new tax bill shows that about 60% of the tax will fund local schools, and another 12% goes to the state educational fund. That total of 72% is fairly low for New Hampshire towns. Municipal spending at over 20% of the total seems high, and county spending is high and heading higher.
 
In the past, Barnstead had a high tax rate and low valuations ( in the 1980's the tax rate was well into the $30's, and the local schools took 75% of the money), and when the state forced the town to bring assessments to market value the waterfront property really caught it.
 
I believe that the only thing that will lower evaluations on Suncook is when it can be demonstrated that property isn't selling for assessed values. When a tear-down camp on a ¼ acre lot sells for close to a ¼ million dollars it's hard to get an abatement.
 
Good luck in your battle, but it may be that eventually only the wealthy will own waterfront property. I'm doing my best with PowerBall, but no luck so far.
 
John Wentworth

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It's a real kicker in the butt!!

The problem as mentioned before is that we do not have a say in any of this and it appears that the ones that CAN HAVE something to say appears that they sit on their hands and do not go to the town meetings and get up and say NAY to all the things that are voted on. That's just my emoticon on the subject

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 John J. Hagopian

We need to get a warrant article on the docket for next year's town meeting that would limit increases in the town budget each year. Something similar to Proposition 2.5 in Massachusetts.


 
Hello,
Prop 2½ was a state-wide restriction on towns passed by Massachusetts voters. Unlike Massachusetts, New Hampshire doesn't have an alternate taxing mechanism (sales or income tax) to support public schools. Until the public debate on school funding produces a consensus I don't see any hope for a New Hampshire Prop 2½. The courts may force a change next year, but folks have been saying that since Claremont 1. New Hampshire voters have consistently rejected candidates for state office who have supported sales or income taxes, and the money has to come from somewhere.
 
Every year the voters of Barnstead have the opportunity to limit their property taxes, but there doesn't seem to be the will to do so. The same thing occurs in many, if not most, New Hampshire towns because many of the increases are mandated by federal and state law. I wonder if a New Hampshire town meeting has the ability to limit future town meeting spending decisions.
 
I believe that many New Hampshire voters think that ownership of waterfront property, especially a second-home, is a luxury, and don't have a lot of sympathy for those rich out-of-staters. (Full disclosure: I am definitely a NH resident but definitely not rich).
 
Over the next month the tax rates for New Hampshire towns will become available to the public, and I'd urge you to compare Barnstead rates with other towns. I reside in Loudon, and our rates are quite similar to Barnstead.
 
One question that should be asked is whether waterfront and non-waterfront properties are comparably assessed. Are Suncook Lake owners being assessed disproportionately? I think that question is a lot easier to ask than it is to answer.
 
John Wentworth
 
Have you ever heard the little poem that goes:
 
Don't tax you,
and don't tax me.
Tax that guy,
behind the tree
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John,
We to are frustrated with yet another increase in our tax bill. Like yourself we live in New Hampshire year round (Londonderry) and feel it is time for a broad based tax (sales tax). I looked on the Barnstead website to break down the Articles approved last year to have some understanding of where the current increase came from but the website only lists if a article passed or failed. However, I did notice there was an article similar to proposition 2 1/2 last March and it was voted down.
We have friends who live in Barnstead who own a relatively new colonial and there assesment seems to be equivelant to the market value at the time of the evaluations. Based on that, it didn't appear to me that the non-waterfront properties were valued less than market value. Not to say there weren't individual discrepencies. At the time of the revaluation 2 years ago we went through the pains of evaluating the assessments and as difficult as it was to accept couldn't find reason to abate the valuation.
What we need to be concerned about is two major items Barnstead is considering in the near future that impact the Municipal portion of the tax bill. One is a new Town Hall/Police Station and the second is a new or expanded elementary school. If these two items pass we are in for even more increases. As always the School portion is contolled by the school budget and is the major player.
I believe the increases over the last two years will begin to impact the local voters. Many local residents had a reduction two years ago but since have seen an increase of well over $4.00/thousand. This means a house valued at $200k has been hit with a increase of $800 over two years.
I feel a lawsuit would be a waste of hard earned money. Londonderry is involved with a lawsuit now involving the education portion (refer to www.nhcafe.com) and is a painstaking process. What I feel we can do is educate the local voters. In many small towns the Articles are voted in by the small number of residents that actually go to town meeting. I think making signs and keeping them posted along Route 28 from now until town meeting will help get our message out. Our message has to be to the point of controlling taxes and voting no on major expenses the town can't afford. The signs need to be from concerned taxpayers and not "summer" residents or they will be ineffective. With a higher tax bill and heating oil heading for an all time high I can't help but think Barnstead has a lot of concerned tax payers.
 
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Hello Robyn (or Gary),
I'd have a hard time disagreeing with your email, except the part about influencing the Barnstead voters. The local schools get 60% of the tax money, plus the state school tax takes another 12%.The county takes 7%, leaving the Town of Barnstead with 21% of the total tax rate to pay for all other town services. The school budget is built at the school budget meetings, and those meetings tend to be heavily influenced by folks who have a deep personal or professional interest in the outcome. And, we can't forget this, the school budget must provide funding for many state and federal mandates. There just isn't any choice in many budgeting decisions.
 
Two year ago I hired an independent appraiser to give me a sanity check. His conclusion was that the town was a bit high and suggested I file for an abatement. The abatement was denied with the town's appraiser saying that my valuation was right on the money.
 
There's one area of the assessment valuations I want to examine. I think they used a flat rate of $2,000 per linear foot of shoreline, on the main lake body, to compute the waterfront uplift. I've heard that assessing guidelines discourage that practice, and that the assessor should consider all factors in determining value. A lot with a beautiful beach is worth more than a lot facing a mud flat or a rock pile. I guess if I had a beautiful beach I'd want to use the flat rate.
 
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Three gas stations and a General store. I just named 1/2 the Big Business taxpayers in town.School is close to 70% of the tax bill.What can summer people do about the taxes?Come visit,spend your money and don't set your self on fire or send your kids to school here.We cant afford it.35 years ago there where less than a dozen year round residents where on the lake How many now??I have been Here all my life I am not bashing the summer folks,But there is no money in this town.With some luck the re-designed Timco plant will open and help keep taxes level.
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