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Re: The Champions League thread
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Yea they had more possession but over the two legs we created more clear cut chances
So Barcelona were more clinical then? Doesn't that potentially mean they were more worthy of the win?
1st one was a penalty, not convinced about any of the others.
If you class 12 shots (not exact) off target and one on target as clinical, then yes.
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Re: The Champions League thread
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Yea they had more possession but over the two legs we created more clear cut chances
So Barcelona were more clinical then? Doesn't that potentially mean they were more worthy of the win?
1st one was a penalty, not convinced about any of the others.
If you class 12 shots (not exact) off target and one on target as clinical, then yes.
I don't really, just throwing a different look on a statement out there.
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Re: The Champions League thread
Shearsy, your point is rubbish.
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Shearsy, Chelsea should have had 3 pens. FACT. Eto'o's handball was just as bad as Pique's, he raised his arms above his head, you can't do that. Learnt today on sky sports that the ref isn't even a full time ref, he's a psychologist by trade. Surely they should put a ref in charge who is used to high profile games and refs full time?! They couldn't use an English or Spanish ref so why not use an Italian one who is used to games like Roma Lazio and the Milan derby? UEFA screwed themselves over when they retired Collina!
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Re: The Champions League thread
Chelsea deserved to go through over the two legs as far as i'm concerned, they had the more clear cut chances and played more penetrating football, even if it was only for two minute spells with ten men behind the ball for the rest of the time.
Not as convinced they were all definite penalties tho.
The Malouda one, how come he's big and strong until the moment he gets into the penalty area, then just collapses? Not for me.
The Drogba one, he's suffered for his reputation, as there did seem to be a shirt pull, but as Guus said afterwards, no more blatant than Bosingwa on Henry in the first leg.
The Pique one is as clear as they come, his hand was so far out from his body that it had to be given.
The Abidal red card was a wrong decision as well, and if Fletcher can potentially get his card overturned on 'compassionate grounds', whatever they are, then Barca must appeal as well.
The Eto'o one was also a pen for me, the ref bottled it again, and i also thought Ballack showed a fair amount of restraint given that the ref has directly robbed him of possibly his final chance of a Champions League final.
I also think it's a myth that Barca played the better football last night. They may have had 65% possession, as they always do, but they never looked like getting past Chelsea's back four in the final third, they just went out wide to Dani Alves for awful cross after awful cross, and in a way i'm glad he's missing the final.
If i was a Chelsea fan, i would want Drogba gone more than ever, not really for his antics, but because for me, he's really not very good, especially at finishing. He should have ended the tie with his chances in both games.
Also agree with Redknapp that a ref who officiates in Norway will struggle to step up to this level, but to suggest that UEFA encouraged him to prevent another all english final is embarassingly paranoid and just another example of the rubbish pedalled by the English media any time decisions go against us in club or international competitions.
Wouldn't be surprised if the tabloids aren't working hard to print as much personal information about the ref as possible, aiding the morons who really think a football match is worth making a death threat over.
Really worried for the final, we have no defenders. To be missing Abidal, Alves, Marquez and Milito makes it very tough. Yaya Toure tried his best filling in at the back, but he got ripped apart.
Man United are massive favourites to retain their trophy.
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Re: The Champions League thread
Can totally relate to how the Chelsea fans are feeling.. we wuz robbed the night before!!...
Apart from the handball calls I wouldn't of given a pen, strikers all to often have a crafty pull on a defenders shirt and then when he gives it back they go down like a sack of spuds!.. Drogba & Ballack should of been sent off at the end, don't care whether they had right or not...
Dani Alves, never seen such a good player play so bad over two legs!!... actually ummm Fabregas/Adebaor/Walcott/Sagna
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Think the guys suggesting a UEFA conspiracy with the ref need to get a grip. I'm sure some people will think it naive of me to say that but I think its more naive to think that the second most powerful organisation in football (after the Woodies Management Team, obviously) would take a risk that only needs one wagging tongue to bring the whole leadership down. Not suggesting for one moment that the ref didn't have a shocker.
I do feel for Chelsea as it is the hardest time to get knocked out and it happened in the worst way.
However, Drogba and Ballack's behaviour was inexcusable. They are not just paid obscene amounts to play football, they are paid to conduct themselves in a reasonable manner and they stepped way over the line. As a Chelsea fan, I'd be very annoyed at two players who can show so much 'passion' in this game, yet have managed to spend much of the past 2 years looking like they were only vaguely interested in actually working for their money.
Ballack might also reflect on the fact that he was very lucky to be playing in this match after he arguably should have received a second yellow in the 1st leg. Chelsea fans might have been annoyed that he was paying more attention to abusing the ref in the last minute of the game than he was in trying to get the winning goal. Very professional.
As for Drogba? Couldn't happen to a nicer bloke. His rant at the camera was an absolute disgrace. Fully agree with Dan's point about kids watching (Andrew1989 and jgullifrd2001 both saw the game!). If he had made more of an effort to stay on his feet over the course of the game then Chelsea might have made the final. He's a player who consistently tries to cheat to gain an advantage but can't cope with someone making honest mistakes. Pathetic.
All of us care in a big way about certain things in our life. Very few of us react like that just because things haven't gone our way. Even few of us get paid so much to not react like that.
Difficult to say whether any team 'deserved' to go through. They both scored the same number of goals and both performed well in very contrasting ways, which makes it difficult to compare. While most English observers were praising Hiddink's tactics in the first leg, maybe hindsight suggests that they should have done more to get an away goal? Always easy to comment after the game though.
Ultimately, Barcelona didn't cheat their way to the final, if anything Chelsea's time-wasting and feigning of injury lost them any moral high ground long before Ballack and Drogba made themselves and the club look ridiculous.
Ultimately, two evenly matched sides slugged it out with a ref who gave an honest but terrible performance. Worst decision of the night? Only giving Ballack a yellow card for chasing him half the pitch and hurling abuse as he did so. And then only a yellow for Drogba after the final whistle.
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