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Will Richardson
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Fertiliser Prices
What is everyone expecting to pay for fertiliser this coming spring .. at present Ammonium Nitrate is trading at £235/ tonne delivered this month and rising.. heard the trade could be hoping for £300/t by spring !!
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13/12/2007, 12:54
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Big Bird
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Re: Fertiliser Prices
£167 for 27.6.6 + S.
In the barn since September, payment March, April, May.
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13/12/2007, 13:48
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last months fertilizer bill was almost $9000.
28t of lime 1580
truckspreading 731
5 t urea 3441(617/t)
4t MAP NTB 3203(720/t)
octobers account was amost 8k too
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13/12/2007, 20:24
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Re: Fertiliser Prices
Bought some fairly well back in september. No one wants to quote at the minute.
I think its going to be very scary indeed. Urea £310+?
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19/12/2007, 9:52
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yes heard on the radio yesterday that pivot is not taking forward orders as they cant guarentee price
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19/12/2007, 19:40
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I had a price for Urea at £270 this morning. Should i bite?
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19/12/2007, 20:19
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I'd guess you'd probably be on the right side of the market at that.
There's a heck of a lot of hungry wheat in the ground this year.
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19/12/2007, 21:29
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our hay maker was here yesterday wanting to know what we had put on our lucerne to make it cut so heavy and he said MAP was $910/t if you could get it!
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20/12/2007, 20:36
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Re: Fertiliser Prices
Last prices here (yesterday) were $620/tonne for urea, $550 for ammonium nitrate. Haven't noticed exchange for a bit.
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21/12/2007, 2:22
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Heard the predicted prices for 2009 fertilizer today, and if you think this year's are high then fasten your seatbelts.
AN pretty much certain to be ove £400 tonne and could be as high as £500. 
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14/3/2008, 19:17
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Well Folks ! There is another solution ! Stop using the oil and gas based products ! Grass can grow without ammonium nitrate. The fertiliser companies have used there marketing skills over the last sixty years to make farmers beleive that we can't do without it ! The same is now happening with GM . Monsanto has you guys exactly where it wants you ! Classic marketing con !
What ever happened to good old fashioned stockmanship and crop rotations !
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15/3/2008, 7:40
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Everything looks dear to me.
Some of our organic guys can get good yields of grass. The conventional poultry litter isn't doing the grass any harm, I'm sure. Especially the layer's muck.
There are lots of classic marketing cons.
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15/3/2008, 12:25
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Well ! Knock the organic farmer if you like ,but I am an organic farmer and I am not knocking conventional dairy farmers . I am saying that the multinational fert. companies ( there are only 3 I think that control the whole market)have you exactly where they want you ! In an armlock and they ain't going to let go . They will price there product at what the market can stand ! There idea of sustainability is can they sustain the shareholders dividend and there index linked pension ! There is another way !
I agree that AM will give a response at todays prices but how sustainable is it ! I know that your costs are huge and that you need to keep churning out the milk ,but where is the enjoyment in what you do when you realise that your milk production system,that you thought was wholesome and natural , is actually using up valuable natural resources (ie oil and gas) faster than it need do.
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16/3/2008, 10:40
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If you get enough rainfall in a normal year to grow grass for most of the spring, summer and autumn then organic might be fine.
If you don't normally get much rain after the end of May and your fields are bare as a badgers arse by July then you have to grow plenty in the spring, and that means sensible use of fertilizer. I certainly couldn't live on what my farm would support organically.
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16/3/2008, 12:08
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Bauldy, I am knocking organic farmers generally, but I do know of several that cheat, for want of a better word.
Hats off to those that do get a decent output from farming organically. My feeling is that your husbandry needs to be top notch, as there is less of a fall back that us conventional guys have. That is the same whether you are milking cows, growing wheat or lettuces. The guys that do it well (& honestly) are an example to us all & we could no doubt learn many things from them.
I do still maintain that careful and accurate use of AN is viable, even at today's prices. The alternative is to reduce total output or increase acres used. Land is expensive, and getting more so, whether it is bought or rented, and they ain't making no more of it.
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16/3/2008, 19:12
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eh... Charryman as far as i know you can spread fertilizer in the dark apart from maybe the first time round the field!!!
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16/3/2008, 22:14
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Well charryman, if you know of "...several who cheat..." why don't you tell the relevant authorities ! If they are "..cheating..." then they have an unfair trading advantage over you as a conventional farmer. As well as destroying my niche market! It is an offence under the UK Register of Organic Standards to use prohibited products in the production of organic food. UKROFS is a government accountable body and its standards are legally binding. European Union Council Regulation(EEC)no. 2092/91
I attended an agricultural event last year where I had a light harted conversation with a rep from a mineral supplement company where we joked about using prohibited products. Our conversation was overheard and within 7 days I had a spot inspection(no warning) of my mineral usage. Invoices,stores of product,delivery notes etc and my supplier got inspeced too. So,the systems for checking non-complience are in place !
If you want to take this matter further please contact one of the certififing bodies such as the Soil Association at www.soilassociation.org
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17/3/2008, 10:15
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Sorry bauldy, but I am not about to "grass up" my fellow farmers, I thought the SA/OFG policed/certified the organic guys.
I know of quite a few that, in practice, shall we say, are less than "organic". As far as I am concerned, it just goes to show what a farce the organic label has become (just a personal opinion, you understand). I'm afraid it will always be the case as long as there is money to be made, someone will find a way.
As far as your audit is concerned, have you thought about running two units, one organic & one conventional? What about buying the drugs for cash? From overseas perhaps? There are so many ways around it, and some will find a way where there is cash to be made.
As I said previously, hats off to you for farming, genuinely, organically. You have my utmost respect for the standard of husbadry required.
Back to the original topic though. The farm next door is about to come on the market, it is around 120 acres of arable land (& certainly not the best) with a small cottage and 2 modern (cheap) buildings. It was valued at £1.7 million. Should I reduce my Nitrogen inputs and reduce stocking rates, and buy the adjoining farm to compensate? £300/t is starting to look cheap!
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17/3/2008, 22:11
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Start using red clover Charryman i reckon we are virtually same silage yield and its just getting a tickle of fertilser and regular slurry . Anybody put red clover in to existing ley ? i wandering whether to spring tine it in or i know someone who puts 2 cup full in each tanker load but i think when the ground will be warm enough for clover seed i will be finished spreading slurry.
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17/3/2008, 23:20
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The chickweed is a nightmare. We reseeded a moderate clay field in september with a redclover/hybrid ryegrass mix. sprayed with alistell at end of nov which set the chickweed back. It needs grazed down and rolled, but it has been too wet. Now the grass is halfway up to my knee.
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18/3/2008, 10:29
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Sorry ,charryman ,to return to the organic issue, but I feel it is quite relevant to "Fertilisers" . I think you are missing the point !The organic message was never to tell the consumer that it was perfect ! After all, up until 1st Jan 08 I was still feeding some non - organic . This was not hidden from the cunsumer.
The point is that the people who buy organic food can be fairly sure that it contains less herbicides,pesticides,antibiotics and GMO's than conventional . Nobody ever said it had none !In the case of milk it has been proven to contain more of the beneficial omega 3 fatty acids.
It is the system that the consumer is buying into. There are bad eggs in every basket !
Also I believe after 10 years of farming organically I am closer to my marketplace/consumer/buyer than ever before.
You say you tried clover ! I tried oversowing into original conventional swards as well. It does not work ! You either go the whole hogg or you can forget it !
The soil association and OFG are certifying the farmers and processors. UKROFS oversees the certifiers .
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18/3/2008, 13:01
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In the case of milk it [organic] has been proven to contain more of the beneficial omega 3 fatty acids.
Why is that? What causes the difference?
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18/3/2008, 22:58
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I started the organic line of debate by saying that "there is another way" .I don't want whole countries to go organic . That would ruin my niche market. There is room for a few more dairy farmers to get a premium price so stop complaining about the price of Ammonium Nitrate "...there is another way ..."
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19/3/2008, 8:58
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Thanks broa.
I knew that the way to achieve that was through diet manipulation. At the end of the day, standard organic and conventional herds are fed the same things.
Its surprising that someone gets away with making that sort of claim. On the other hand, it isn't really. There is much misinformation put out by, for example, the soil association about conventional production, and by some organic farmers too - purely for selfish publicity. They really want to make it a 'them and us' scenario.
Apparently conventional milk is full of antibiotics and pesticides, while organic milk is free from such.
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19/3/2008, 10:19
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Re: Fertiliser Prices
China has slapped an export tarriff on urea, pushing autumn 2008 prices up to around £450/tonne.
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16/4/2008, 17:39
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