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The Candlestone - Deeper Thoughts
As many readers know, mysteries abound in this book. I am moving a question that a poster raised in another topic over to this topic to see if it can generate some discussion. Feel free to add questions and comments on the deeper issues and symbolism you might have seen in The Candlestone.
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Re: The Candlestone - Deeper Thoughts
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I'm not sure if this can qualify as an initial thought anymore, but I was looking at the section where Devin is describing the nature of the candlestone to Bonnie. The more he talk about the absorbing nature of the stone, I was thinking about the nature of creation itself, how the only objects that absorb light are black holes. Our moon, our planet, just about everything reflects light that is transmitted to it. You could almost see that the candlestone is a reflection of the corruption of creation by sin, that God made the world (and us) to reflect light (and, for us, His light). You could take it further and point out that sin (our corruption) traps us and how we needed a savior...but I'm still not sure if I'm on the right path.
What do you guys think?
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Re: The Candlestone - Deeper Thoughts
I think you really nailed it, knightofhvn. The comparison to nature didn't occur to me, but I got the same impression, especially the part about the Candlestone representing sin. I even got the impression that it was a picture of what hell is, but that doesn't quite stand up under it's own weight. The Candlestone has an exit first of all. Also, more than one person who wouldn't have been in hell (Bonnie, Merlin, the knights, animals even...) were trapped there. And hell is supposed to be an eternal separation from God, which is certainly not true of the Candlestone. But what gave me the impression was the spiritual-like way people existed in it, and it's nature of trapping people, eternally if there was no outside interference. Sin would be a better comparison. In hell there's no escape, no salvation. Sin on the other hand traps, imprisons, and isolates, but like the exit hole in the Candlestone, salvation is always there, a small but certain glimmer in the darkness (ooh, that was poetic!  ).
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Re: The Candlestone - Deeper Thoughts
Very poetic. I dunno, I was just reading the Candlestone after I had done some research for my fiance (a science teacher, but with a terrible background in astronomy...her high school should be ashamed of what they taught her) and we were talking about light and that just...clicked.
Especially at the end, where Billy (while no real Christ figure himself) made the statement about no more prisoners and cleaved the stone with Excalibur. Is that not what Christ did on the cross? He cleaved the veil separating us from God.
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Re: The Candlestone - Deeper Thoughts
You could say that Billy was a symbol, or a reflection at least of Christ when he destroyed the Candlestone. After all, Christians are supposed to be imitators of Christ.
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Re: The Candlestone - Deeper Thoughts
I guess that I'm still having trouble reconciling the whole shift from attacking Palin from behind to representation of Christ...I know that we are all fallen and have been redeemed, but that's still a hard leap for me.
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Re: The Candlestone - Deeper Thoughts
You two are doing great. I'll add a couple of clarifying notes to try to hone your points.
First, although Billy definitely had a problem with rage in blasting Palin, he later received power from on high when he finally professed saving faith. No one but Christ lived a complete life without sin, but there are people who learn obedience to the Word and become imitators of Christ, thus enabling them to be "types" of Christ.
You are getting very close to my view of what the candlestone represents. Consider the fact that it readily absorbs light but it emits light in a different form. Read the descriptions of the light that goes in versus the light that goes out (page 275, for example).
You have correctly analyzed that it couldn't be hell, because at least one believer was trapped within. Good points.
You have theorized that it represents sin. Well, sin is certainly involved, but it is really an issue that may be controversial in some Christian circles, something else that has plagued mankind for many centuries.
It's not easy to see on the surface, but there are a number of clues hidden in the book. I'll let you continue to work on it and give more hints later if you get stuck.
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Re: The Candlestone - Deeper Thoughts
Wow, make me wish I had my copy with me...
The statements about it being similar to sin keep bringing me back to the fact that seems to ensnare, but at the same time, I have to wonder about the reference to the changing of things. Light does come out weaker...and only those who do not fight the nature of the change come out with their faculties intact...I fear I'm still missing something.
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Re: The Candlestone - Deeper Thoughts
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Wow, make me wish I had my copy with me...
The statements about it being similar to sin keep bringing me back to the fact that seems to ensnare, but at the same time, I have to wonder about the reference to the changing of things. Light does come out weaker...and only those who do not fight the nature of the change come out with their faculties intact...I fear I'm still missing something.
You're doing great. Don't dwell on the fact that they don't fight against the flow. Think about the fact that it is the light that carries them out. The stone has light, but it changes the light.
I think you will need the book to gather more information. Check out the dedication. There's a clue there.
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Re: The Candlestone - Deeper Thoughts
In all reality, they won the battle against Devin... but... is he truly gone? Sure, he was transluminated and vanished, but evil has this pesky tendancy to creep back into our lives. Wouldn't this also apply to Devin? After all, we don't no if he's truly "dead", we just know he's gone. After all, he was in super-human form when he was transluminated... the thought frightens me since he fed upon dragon flames and took two of earth most powerful creatures on at once... *shiver*
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