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Haldour
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Suggestion for next year
Hey Athron, I've just been going over the "suggestions for next year" thread on the dag boards, or more accurately the "whine about weapons check" thread.
I have a suggestion since we are in charge of weapons check next year. When a group comes up with their weapons, ask them if they have a representative as a checker. If the answer is no, their weapons get shoved back away from the check pile until such time as they see fit to help out. This pile would be our "if we get to them pile". If a group that has at least one rep there brings their weapons, they will get served before anyone that doesn't feel the need to help. If we get to those weapons before we are scheduled to close, fine. If not, oh well. A little harsh? Perhaps. But I doubt such a tactic would need to be enforced on more than one day.
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7/13/2005, 11:47 pm
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kayleoferyndor
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Re: Suggestion for next year
Well, as Laithe wanted to enforce things this year, if you you had more than X number of people here (not sure of exact number) then you had to have at least one checker or else all of weapons check would close down until we got them. That obviously wasn't the case as there were anywhere between 5 and 13 Eryndor members there each day out of about a total of 20 checkers at the most. There definately needs to be something done, but how do you really monitor it? I have pleanty of ideas of things to keep and fix for next year brewing in my head. Keep the brainstorming coming!
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7/14/2005, 1:08 am
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Lord Freewynd
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Re: Suggestion for next year
Gwynedd, had a total of 3 fighters there, (until Saturday) and I helped 3 days, and my Swordbrother helped 2. Although, I didn't register 'til the last day, I didn't know that it mattered. But I do agree on the X number of people= X number of "volunteers". I am thinking 7/1 ratio. And that number should probably reflect your camp, not your unit. Some camps were a collection of 3-4 small "units". A camp could have 1 fighter fr/ one unit, 3 fighters fr/ another, and 4 fighters from another unit. They should still have at least one rep at weapons check.
Just my opinion.
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7/14/2005, 12:28 pm
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AthronofEryndor
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Re: Suggestion for next year
Haldour, its a good suggestion and you're right, we need to figure out how to get more volunteers helping to check.
However, as we all think of ways to improve weapons check, remember we have these issues (among others) to consider. At times, these needs are at conflict with one another and create tension between different types of policies we adopt.
1. Having enough weapons checkers to make the job easy, effecient, and fair.
2. Having COMPETENT weapons checkers who KNOW what they;re doing, have gone through OUR weapons check training session, and understand how we're checking weapons (learning to do things the "Rag XXI" right way, not "the way I've done it for 3 years down in GenericChapter, USA"
Right away, you see a problem. Grabbing people and forcing them to helping is something we could be more adamant about (by either actively going to camps and demanding for help, or by passively forcing them to help by denying to check their equipment). However, when we do this, we lose the control of being sure that everyone helping has gone through the "Ragnarok XXI Weapons Checking Training Session Class," which is something we need to do to ensure that EVERYONE has been trained properly, and more importantly, we're all on the same page (for example, making sure 2 veteran weapons checkers from seperate chapters know that we're checking weapon flex on blue weapons ONE WAY ONLY).
But there's still other issues to consider. For example, if we really do enforce a pretty strict weapons check policy, there will be groups and many people who won't have their equipment checked at all. Two things from there will happen. Either more people will sneak unchecked equipment on the field (and this is REALLY easy to do, no matter how hard we try to enforce it... anyone dedicated to sneaking an unchecked piece of equipment on the field WILL succeed, at least for a while). Or, people won't have equipment, be pissed, and choose not to fight. And personally, I'd rather waste more of my own time then have people sneaking more unchecked equipment onto the field.
Personally, I'd rather be pissed and have to spend another 30 minutes at weapons check doing extra work and KNOW there will be 240 fighters on the field instead of only 190. Because even though they're being lazy by not helping us at weapons check, its actually hurting MY vacation by keeping people off of the battlefield... I came to fight against huge armies of warriors... and if we have a weapons check help policy that is UBER-strict, its gonna hurt my fun almost as much as the people too lazy to be willing to help.
Also, let's make sure any policy we do adopt is EASIER for US than just checkng more equipment by ourselves. In other words, if it takes about 10 people 45 minutes to enforce a policy we adopt (total: 450 minutes) but it would only take 15 people an extra 20 minutes to check weapons ourselves (total: 300 minutes), I'd rather pick the more efficient option and do it ourselves and get done faster. I'm not really interested in 'teaching life lessons about dedication' to lazy people during Ragnarok... its my vacation and I'd rather get the work done so I can play faster.
Like I said, I'm not 100% committed to doing anything one way or another way, these are just things we really need to mull over before we set any one particular policy in place.
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Zagref
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Re: Suggestion for next year
I'm not sure if this has been brought up elsewhere yet, but could we specialize the classes? The general class was nice and all, but I think it would have made more sense to maybe do that AND THEN have a special class for people that cover all the little rules for reds, for greens, for blues, for arrows, for javs, for rocks, for shields, and for armor (maybe even breaking that into leather, metal plate, and non-metal plate). The general class did not go in depth enough on the finer things to be checking for for a particular weapon type. If we did a specialized class, maybe we could train people to do a particular thing more quickly and not have to worry about teaching them stuff that they aren't going to be testing for anyways.
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7/16/2005, 2:25 pm
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Haldour
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Re: Suggestion for next year
Awesome, my post has it's own section. Ha ha. Anyway, let's get some more suggestions going so that this post isn't just spam.
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8/6/2005, 6:32 pm
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Re: Suggestion for next year
Bloody Vikings!!
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8/6/2005, 9:18 pm
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Dhugal
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Re: Suggestion for next year
I believe the actual ratio for required volunteers is 5+ and as the group gets larger, the more volunteers you are supposed to have. It also refers to heralds. this is not a one time thing, it is a daily thing.
That being said, I will make sure someone from the Dobharchu Donn is at weapons check every day to at least get beat upon for weapons check, and I will assist Eryndor in any way I can personally
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8/9/2005, 11:15 am
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AthronofEryndor
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Re: Suggestion for next year
Thanks, Dhugal!
Kayle and I were breaking down some numbers, and we both agree that we CAN run a solid weapons check (talking about the big days, M,W,F) with as few as 40 people, but 50 would make for optimal effeciency.
Of those 40 people, we need about 20 to be "every day" kind of people, which should be pretty easy considering the Eryndor help we'll already have combined with a lot of willing and friendly allies.
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8/9/2005, 11:19 am
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Re: Suggestion for next year
Athron,
I don't think I'm up for the all week deal again next year(I might like to sleep in on sloth day for once), but I would be more than happy to lend a hand at arrow check. I've been involved in at least some degree for the last three years running and have some arrow checking exp back home as well. (i.e. I was the only idiot who wanted to do it most of the time.)
So if you need some expirienced help, especially with the "how-to's" of arrow checking, give me a yell. I'll be happy to lend a hand.
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8/9/2005, 11:57 am
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