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It seems a lot of the posters here enjoy seeing the bad girl get it in the end. Not so for me ... I much prefer that she is too smart for that, she ultimately wins all, and gets away scott-free with any and all acts of depravity committed, with absolutely no regrets.
A good example of this would be Tuesday Weld's character in Pretty Poison ... beautiful, completely mrerciless, totally evil to the core, and gets to go on her merry way at the end.
I guess that's why they make chocolate and vanilla ice cream.
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True baddies rarely get to walk away. Except for "erotic thrillers" but that may be one of the reasons I'm not really into those.
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It seems a lot of the posters here enjoy seeing the bad girl get it in the end. Not so for me ... I much prefer that she is too smart for that, she ultimately wins all, and gets away scott-free with any and all acts of depravity committed, with absolutely no regrets.
A good example of this would be Tuesday Weld's character in Pretty Poison ... beautiful, completely mrerciless, totally evil to the core, and gets to go on her merry way at the end.
I guess that's why they make chocolate and vanilla ice cream.
I agree with you, Phil, though unfortunately what Drizzt says about the rarity of such cases is true.
Perhaps one of the more recent discoveries I've happened upon that kind of falls into the category you're thinking of (discovered on here, as it happens) is the Barbie character from 'Mean Guns' - an example of a woman having no exceptional fighting skills (no dubious weapons expertise or unbelievable hand-to-hand combat prowess), merely someone who uses her sexuality to manipulate and ultimately defeat people who are better at the aforementioned combat than she is. The enjoyment she clearly derives from defeating her last victim also helps make her an outstanding candidate, and one who's infinitely preferable to the kind of 90lbs stick insect of a woman who's seen beating up a 250lbs mountain of muscle which seems all too prevalent nowadays.
Luciana Paluzzi ('To Trap a Spy' - find it elsewhere on the forum), is another excellent example of a woman who possesses no fighting skills, but who is a master of manipulation. It's probably why I'm such a huge fan of 1940s/50s film noir, they're positively creaking under the weight of strong, intelligent, and classy women, without needing to transform them into unlikely kung-fu/commando uber-babes.
Not that either Barbie or Angela win the day, sadly.
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I guess everybody's different. My pet peeve is when a great villainous becomes good later or helps the good guy. The one that comes to mind is Grace Jones in "A View to a Kill" where she helps James Bond in the end. I like my evil babes evil to the core. I only like it when they go out with guns blazing.
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Drizzt - I understand that "True baddies rarely get to walk away. Except for "erotic thrillers" but that may be one of the reasons I'm not really into those."
Whether or not true baddies rarely get to walk away in real life, this is all about fantasy. Part of the illusion that appeals to me in that scenario is that there is usually the assumption that she will strike again.
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I love it when a woman is so evil that you want her to get it in the end. I also love it when they get disposed of in fresh new ways.
I will say I have seen a few evil women that I did like, and wanted them to get away on the notion she would be in the sequal to only get it there.
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^ Christina Hendricks in 'Firefly' was one such example of a bad girl I wanted to survive long enough to appear in another episode. Just another reason why the cancelling of the series was such a terrible shame.
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For me, seeing a deadly, beautiful villainess not punished for her evils is the ultimate disappointment. 
About the only one that got off scot-free and I didn't mind it was Kathleen Turner's character in BODY HEAT. The viewer and everybody else thought she was dead until the final shot of her lounging on a far-away beach, basking in her cleverness at getting away with the ultimate crime. 
But Drizzt's site is for BAD GIRLS, punished or not, so there's room for all.
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Im agreed with Jimbo! It is more thrilling for me, if the Evilbabe gets her deserved punishment at the end... Baddies that always go away is not very interesting I think - but that is only my opinion!
I preferred it when the bad girls gets her comeuppance - thats a little idealistic, I know, like a fairy-tale - against the reality...
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Drizzt - I understand that "True baddies rarely get to walk away. Except for "erotic thrillers" but that may be one of the reasons I'm not really into those."
Whether or not true baddies rarely get to walk away in real life, this is all about fantasy. Part of the illusion that appeals to me in that scenario is that there is usually the assumption that she will strike again.
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Dude. How the **** do you manage to misread my statement as saying anything about RL (where bad guys and girls all too often get away)?
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Dude. How the **** do you manage to misread my statement as saying anything about RL (where bad guys and girls all too often get away)?
No need to get ****ty about it either. "True baddies ... " sounded like RL to me. No offense was intended.
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Dude. How the **** do you manage to misread my statement as saying anything about RL (where bad guys and girls all too often get away)?
How exactly do you read
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Whether or not true baddies rarely get to walk away in real life, this is all about fantasy.
As anything else?
"Erotic thrillers" is a bit of a hint I'm talking about movies.
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Yes-I like an appropriate comeuppance.
And, like Tenaka, I hate a villainess who changes to the "right" side.
I think it's nice to see good recurring villains who can get a comeuppance, but return another day-on tv "Batman" was one of the few live action series I can think of where this happens (the Joker gets beat up at the end of the episode, but he's out of jail shortly after and causing trouble again)-most villains in action tv shows just get one turn.
Just getting caught isn't really satisfactory-I like to see the villainess done over or killed.
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