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hello,,,, i was just wondering if anyone knew anything about what power you can shove down what wire? I used 12 gauge stranded wire and read that people used lots thinner. i was running a KL200 through my wire today and was wondering how i would know if it was too much for the wire, i dont think it is as the wire was bought for a car stereo/amp install.

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Good question, I put 1.2kw through mine and its 12swg emoticon

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crikey mine will be fine if yours hasnt popped like a fuse with that much power emoticon

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Do an ohms law calculation.
50 ohms impedance, 5000 watts of power equals only 10 amps of current flowing at the feedpoint, and most wire commonly used for antennas can handle that without melting.

Also, that current is only present right at the centre, as there is an impedance gradient as you travel out along the wire, resulting in minimal current and maximum voltage at the ends. At these kinds of powers I suppose corona discharge may be a problem so good insulators would be needed at the ends.

But then - who runs 5KW??!

A more probable 800 watt power level gives rise to only 4 amps at the feedpoint.

So - don't worry about a wire antenna's power handling capacity. You will give up before it does! emoticon
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Hot Fusion wrote:

Do an ohms law calculation.
50 ohms impedance, 5000 watts of power equals only 10 amps of current flowing at the feedpoint, and most wire commonly used for antennas can handle that without melting.

Also, that current is only present right at the centre, as there is an impedance gradient as you travel out along the wire, resulting in minimal current and maximum voltage at the ends. At these kinds of powers I suppose corona discharge may be a problem so good insulators would be needed at the ends.

But then - who runs 5KW??!

A more probable 800 watt power level gives rise to only 4 amps at the feedpoint.

So - don't worry about a wire antenna's power handling capacity. You will give up before it does! emoticon



If this is so, and I dont doubt it for a minute, why do antennas, most antennas, give a power rating of 500 or 1000 watts? For instance a standard Silver rod is only rated at about 1000watts and its made from ali tube that would carry 1000's of amps?

Also voltage is an issue as well surely? You have quoted 4 amps at 800 watts, which is 200volts, so how do manufacturers arrive at their recommended power rating? I understand this if there is a loading coil maybe, but if the amp loading of the material used is the guiding factor, then most radio antennas will cope with just about anything you throw at it

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Dunno, actually. emoticon

For end-fed antennas such as a cheap dipole, it must be the matching transformer/balun which is the weak point, bearing in mind recirculating currents which may be present, giving rise to far greater heating than the plain calculated current would suggest. I rewound the tank coil on one of my linears with 2mm diameter wire to increase efficiency, as the original coil used to get extremely hot due to these recirculating currents bouncing back and forth as they do. Even with the thicker wire, the coil still gets pretty warm.

For an antenna which is inherently a good match for 50 ohms such as an unloaded quarter wave vertical where there is nothing other than straight metal in the circuit, there is no real limit within the bounds of what is reasonable.

Or maybe it's a safety factor they are considering, and are thinking of the high voltages present? It'd be interesting to hear from a manufacturer on this - maybe they are obliged to place some limit on it, in much the same way that a tin of beans (which would remain edible for decades if unopened) has a definite expiry date...

Thoughts, anyone? emoticon
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