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The Love-Hate Relationship: What did you think of Jackson's "Lord of the Rings"?
Okay, this movie isn't exactly new, but it needs a thread. Those who have seen this movies fall into three general categories:
Type A: Read the books first, then saw the movies
Type B: Read the books after seeing the movies
Type C: Have not read the books
I am a "Type A", how do you think the reading-movie watching order affects what you think of the movie?
In my experience people tend to dislike any movie that was based on a book they've already read, as it is physically impossible to include all the story elements.
I was personally disappointed. Not because I read the books first and craploads of important details were cut out, but because after 6 years of effort, I sincerely thought they could do better.
For example, the atrocity that was Arwen's character. Given decent lines and scenes, Liv Tyler might actually have been good in this role. (Though I personally think Nève Campbell or Carrie-Ann Moss would have been better, and not just because they're Canadian.) There was no good reason that I can imagine for wasting valuable minutes in the movie with garbage like the "Flight to the Ford" scene. There were also other apalling scenes, like Denethor's death - an ignoble fall from the Seventh Circle.
Other parts in the movie, I greatly enjoyed. John-Rhys Davies (who also played Gimli) was completely brilliant as Treebeard. His voice was so perfect and Entish! The scenery as well (except Rohan, which I imagined quite differently) was extremely beautiful. Howard Shore's music was amazing and captured the feel of Middle-earth brilliantly. Sir Ian McKellan was a genius as Gandalf. It wasn't really his fault that he was in some terrible scenes in RotK (like whacking Denethor with his staff!?), though I think he could have stuck up for his character like Miranda Otto did.
Miranda Otto played Eowyn to perfection. Peter Jackson was thinking of inserting a silly rivalry between Eowyn and Arwen over Aragorn, but Miranda said "There aren't many female characters in this movie, don't make us fight over the boy." [paraphrase] This would have been one contributing factor in Jackson not adding this horrible twist.
I think my own opinion of the movies has come through here, but if you love the movies completely and unreservedly, I respect your opinion. I just hope that you don't mindlessly love it because Liv Tyler, Viggo Mortensen and Orlando Bloom are hot, or because the special effects were very good.
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Re: The Love-Hate Relationship: What did you think of Jackson's "Lord of the Rings"?
Dis one I'll move.
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Re: The Love-Hate Relationship: What did you think of Jackson's "Lord of the Rings"?
Well, I didn't see RotK, but I liked the first (it's a lot like the book), but I didn't like the second when I first saw it (it wasn't like the book). I saw the entire thing recently, and now I like it. It's better now that I saw it the second time. It's still not like the book, though.
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Re: The Love-Hate Relationship: What did you think of Jackson's "Lord of the Rings"?
I also found the pain was lessened with multiple viewings. Howard Shore's score really soothes the spirit.
The first movie is reasonably like the book, and it will also make sense to you since you've read it. I have to warn you, as soon as Arwen appears, close your eyes and block your ears for the next 2 minutes. Trust me.
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Re: The Love-Hate Relationship: What did you think of Jackson's "Lord of the Rings"?
I have to say, I fall under catergory B. I saw the Fellowship and loved it so I bought the Book and have loved it ever since.
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Re: The Love-Hate Relationship: What did you think of Jackson's "Lord of the Rings"?
Yeah. Book fans can critisce them all day but they are still a great set of movies.
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Re: The Love-Hate Relationship: What did you think of Jackson's "Lord of the Rings"?
Well, I like them more for them bringing people to the books, but yeah. 
Honestly though, sometimes I think they aren't good movies even without the whole adaptation aspect. Then the special effects and music wow me and I get all starry eyed. 
But really, sometimes the plot was all over the place, there were many "Captain Obvious" lines, and not much character development, and sometimes people did odd things for no apparent reason.
It's hard to think of them as stand alone movies, but when you do, are they good movies in the sense that they're entertaining or that they're classic?
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Re: The Love-Hate Relationship: What did you think of Jackson's "Lord of the Rings"?
I have to say i love the movies however, the books were a thousand times better. As an avid reader most books i have read before they are made movies and it really is hard to enjoy a film. as you put because they simply cannot include everything. I do think that peter Jackson did do a good job of getting all the essential elements of the story in even though some great characters were cut. We have to try to look at the book and movie seperatley or the movie wont be enjoyable.
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