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Hey excellent, nice link.

Just as an example take what happened here recently with our last foot and mouth outbreak: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1559471/Foot-and-mouth-lab-failure-causes-outbreak.html Rather than it being natural it was lab released.

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Pork backlash or an excuse to settle some old scores?
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Egypt

A cull has been ordered of all pigs in the country. The animals are mainly eaten by members of the Coptic Christian minority in the largely Muslim state.

Experts say the flu cannot be caught from eating pig meat, and there is no scientific rationale for slaughtering pigs or banning pork.



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Ghana

The authorities have banned imports of pork and pork products.



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China

China has also banned imports of pork and pork products from Mexico and the US states of Texas, Kansas and California.



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Indonesia

Imports of pigs and pork products have been completely banned.



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Japan

Officials are inspecting all imported pigs across the country (about 420 pigs were imported in 2008).



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Kyrgyzstan

The import of meat products from the US and Mexico has been temporarily banned.



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South Korea

The agriculture ministry has suspended imports of live pigs from North America



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Russia

Curbs have been imposed on meat imports from Mexico, a number of US states and the Caribbean.



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Ukraine

Imports of live pigs and pork meat from countries where cases of swine flu have been recorded, including Mexico, the US, Canada and New Zealand, have been banned. All shipments received after 21 April will be subject to the ban.



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I think that’s just ignorance. That’s the scariest part about this whole affair. If nations like Japan and Russia are at the level of burning witches they probably won’t respond very effectively to the real problem.

The thing is: we have got to slow this virus down. It is spreading at a remarkable rate. Assuming it started on April 2 with Edgar Hernandez, it is easy to calculate that it is multiplying at a factor of 1.3. At that rate, it will reach carrying capacity by the end of next month.

I think I may have worked out the mechanism that caused it to stop killing when it left Mexico. It’s pretty simple. It seems to have something like a genetic switch that puts it into high gear when it can spread easily and into low gear when it can spread only slowly. The United States and other western countries are very “socially distant”, so a virulent strain that has to find a new host quickly can’t do well there. If I am right, this strain will start killing like crazy when it reaches China or India. We’ll know in a week or two.

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I was wondering that, it also crossed my mind that it could have mutated into a less deadlier form. Then again it could just be that it's hit better health care systems. I had toyed with the idea of how to survive something like this and being away out in the middle of nowhere would help but that would totally be screwed as soon as any contact was made, even years down the line. If we all survive this the vaccine industry seriously needs to be updated and the science behind it has to be revised too. Otherwise we'll be constantly playing Russian roulette with what nature and others throw at us and as you know we can't win them all.

I was also toying what extra things we could take at the time of infection, other than what we're given, that would ease the symptoms even more. A good fever lowering painkiller like good old paracetamol, a powerful natural antibiotic to prevent secondary lung infection like 25+ Active Manuka honey and anything else to boost your immune system and is antiviral in nature.
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Best natural antiviral herbal remedies

* Echinacea may be the best general herbal remedy against viruses. Echinacea works by destroying viruses & boosting the immune system so that your own body can then eliminate the virus. Especially good for flu viruses. Take supplements as directed, especially right before flu & cold season. Take in cycles of 6 weeks on & 6 weeks off as needed.

* Hypoxis Rooper (African Potato) improves the immune system according to research.

* Astragalus is also one of the valuable antiviral herbs due to its ability to boost the immune system. Take as directed when needed.

* Agathosma Betulina (buchu) is a natural antiviral that has antioxidant & antiseptic activity & helps the body rid itself of toxins. Good as a preventive.

* Mentha peperita better known as peppermint supports the body’s immune system. Scientific studies show peppermint’s is one of the anti viral herbs that shows a good effect on tuberculosis. Using peppermint essential oil or drinking lots of peppermint tea are pleasant, economical ways of using peppermint.

* Dragon’s blood is a lesser known herbal remedy for viruses. Especially useful against herpes virus. May be available in pill form. Take as directed.

* Solidago Virgaurea (Goldenrod) is one of the traditional antiviral herbs, used for hundreds of years. It seems to increase the ability of the body to fight infections.

* What could you say about garlic, an herb that has so many beneficial effects that it is treated with a reverence by many peoples of the world. Most people find garlic to be delicious too. This natural antiviral can be used for flu, cold & any number of viruses. Consume it raw or lightly cooked in any number of dishes including salads, stir frys, soups etc. Take supplements as directed making sure that supplement has active ingredients.

* Onions are also an anti viral herb though not as effective as garlic. Certainly you could come up with many dishes that contain garlic & onion which go together very well.

* Schizandra Sinesis is a powerful Chinese herb, an herbal remedy against viruses that protects against toxins and cell damage.

* Goldenseal is also an immune stimulant. Many supplements pair goldenseal with with other antiviral herbs like echinacea for a 1 - 2 punch against viruses.

* Olea Europea (from olive leaf) is a very valuable herb & natural antiviral. It helps fight numerous germs. The positive effects of Olive leaf have recently been proven in a variety of clinical studies. Olive leaf also stimulates the immune system.

It may also help stop the production of enzymes that a retrovirus, such as HIV, needs in order to change the RNA of a healthy cell. I’ve used it in place of root canal surgery to good effect. Take supplements as directed but you may need to double or triple dose the first day you are symptomatic.

* Juniper is also an excellent anti viral herbal remedy, excellent against flu & cold virus. Makes a good cold season tea that could be sipped throughout the day.

* Lemon balm also makes a good anti viral herbal tea & is especially valued as anti-herpes.

* Licorice is yet another herb that makes an excellent tea. Effective anti viral herb against many viruses. Take supplement or make a tea out of licorice root.

* Shiitake mushroom is also one of our favorite antiviral herbs. Consume in various dishes or use supplements as directed.

* Ginger, like garlic is a superb herb with numerous health benefits including its natural antiviral effects. Use as a tea or in numerous dishes. Juice a small slice along with fruits like apples, carrots, celery, [parsley - to taste for a wonderfully healthy concoction.

Other natural anti viral herbs

Some other herbal remedies against viruses are not as well known for that purpose but have been cited as antiviral. They include:

* Boneset

* Cat’s claw

* Chamomile

* Cinnamon

* Ginseng

* St. John’s wort



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Here's footage of one of our UK survivors and his family, who are in full contact with him under home quarantine and have not caught it.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8030307.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8030511.stm

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Interesting video.

It seems to me that there could be a mutation switch. A virus that could change forms dramatically as a result of a point mutation would, for all practical purposes, have a switch.

For viruses, the tendency to spread quickly and also have strong symptoms seems to be grouped. The tendency to spread slowly and also have mild symptoms is also grouped. This makes sense, since spread is facilitated by coughing, sneezing, and mucous.

Viruses are produced in abundance whenever someone falls ill. There are always many mutations. Most mutations just die. But suppose there was a viable mutation that occurred so regularly that whenever someone fell ill, at least a few of the mutated version were manufactured. If the mutated version gained an advantage for some reason, it would take over.

There would be two versions:

Type A: causes dramatic immune system reaction (cytokine storms) and, consequently, is extremely virulent. As a result of the dramatic immune system reaction, it spreads quickly.

Type B: causes mild immune system reaction and, consequently, is extremely mild. As a result of the mild immune system reaction, it spreads slowly.


Suppose a person is infected with type A. They would also produce a tiny quantity of type B. They would become very ill and start spreading virus. However, if there are very few people to infect, they would either die or quickly recover and most of the virus would die with them or be destroyed. If they happened to infect just one other person with Type A, in the same low contact environment, that person would also die without passing it to many people or recover without passing it to many people. Very soon type A would die out.

If the person with mostly type A infected a second person with type B, the other person would stay infected longer. Even though they are in a low contact environment, the newly infected person would have ample opportunity to pass the virus on to several other people. Since type B has an advantage in this low contact environment, it would quickly take over.

There would be an epidemic of type B virus.

Now, suppose a person with type B moved into an environment where virus can be passed on quickly. They would still produce mostly type B, but they would also produce some type A. If they infected someone with type A, that person would become very ill very quickly and pass on more type A.

Since type A spreads faster, it would quickly take over and there would be an epidemic of type A.

Hence, a mutation switch.

Incidentally, I am not a biologist, so this is just a lot of wild speculation.

This also addresses the question of a biological attack. If someone discovered that they could manufacture a virus with this property, it would be a masterful way to kill everyone in crowded and developing countries while causing little or no damage to less congested industrial countries. It would be a stupid and dangerous plan, but it just might work.

…but wait, what are those black vans pulling into our driveway? Who are all those men in dark suits and sunglasses?

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I've also noted that in the last few days companies starting to cash in on all of this, with more adverts both in press and on TV for various cleaning goods and cold/flu remedies. Not that any of these products will stop the spread or symptoms, they're just making a quick buck off the back of the panic.

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Ironically I now find myself watching 12 Monkeys.

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People keep trying to dismiss this, but my math still says it is spreading at a factor of 1.3 per day. This Wikipedia article makes it easy to keep score:

2009 Flu

By the time this reaches Level 6 (which it will) most Americans will be bored with it and have gone on to other things.

A recent Seattle Times article seems to substantiate my mutation switch theory. The illustration contains the pertinent information:

Flu virus turns body's defenses against itself

I had actually been toying with the idea that the combination of pig, human, and bird genomes facilitated the adaptability of this virus. It may be that my mutation switch causes it to present itself as just bird flu, just pig flu, just human flu, or a combination of these as the situation demands. It is a virus that can switch gears.

There is anther time travel film similar to Twelve Monkey’s, except that the epidemic was accidental. An agent is trying to track down the two people who came together with two “strands” of the virus. I can’t recall its name. It seemed to anticipate the Edgar Hernandez scenario.

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Good news this morning, watching BBC news they had one of UKs top virologists who is working on the problem. They said that they were in the process of creating a vaccine for pig flu, they are now studying samples of the various strains for a viable vaccine candidate. It will then take 3 to 4 months for it to be ready for use this coming winter season alongside the standard flu jab. They did say though that this will lead to a yearly pig jab as the strain then mutates. People would still die as with the current flu, but it would be under control where protected.

What people don't realise is that the standard flu is a killer, but because of jabs and modern drugs we kind of accept it and the human loss.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8024240.stm

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