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Re: Hello from, Tom
Well unfortunately that is his decision. As for TTF.Yes she was a very big part of the board and made it fun but I think it is a combination of all the posters that make it {not neccessarily Tom"s board} a board that you want to come back too. It also takes a good , strong, and kind, moderation and adminstration team to make it work as well.
However I had been a part of that board for quite a while and I think he just wants a fresh start. Hope in the end it works out for him.
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Permit me to second that sentiment...all the best on your board Tom!!!
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Hello wills,
I removed all moderators because at the moment we do not need any and mostly because of Graham.
When TDTSC becomes more active again I will probably need moderators again.
Thank you wills and Lights. Hopefully TDTSC will become more active soon. Although I have not been posting much I have put a lot of effort into making TDTSC easier to find using the advanced web site building skills that I have been learning.
Hello Mr Titanic,
It’s not really a loss because at the time and now we don’t really need moderators. Lee has always been a great help with TDTSC but (and I don’t mean this in any negative way towards her) it’s not true that she made the board what it is, not alone anyway.
She is not the only person fit to admin as I am perfectly capable of running it myself like I have done for the last 3 years and in fact Lee was only an active Admin for about 3 weeks?
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If TTF is no longer a part of that board, I see no reason to belong to it either.
Why?
I'm certainly not stopping you or lee from using the board.
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Hello Tom ,
nice to see you here again. I hope everything is well. It was just a question that i thought perhaps would get people's attention. I guess it worked.
Anyway as I have said it is nice to see you on here again .
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Jul/12/2006, 11:46 pm
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Hello Mr Titanic,
It’s not really a loss because at the time and now we don’t really need moderators. Lee has always been a great help with TDTSC but (and I don’t mean this in any negative way towards her) it’s not true that she made the board what it is, not alone anyway.
She is not the only person fit to admin as I am perfectly capable of running it myself like I have done for the last 3 years and in fact Lee was only an active Admin for about 3 weeks?
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If TTF is no longer a part of that board, I see no reason to belong to it either.
Why?
I'm certainly not stopping you or lee from using the board.
Hello Tom,
If you feel you don't need Moderators at this time, that is your buisness. Waiting until it is more active for Moderators does sound like a wise idea. However, I saw no point in removing Lee regardless, and as I notice from previous posts you didn't alert the staff of this change. Lee resigned if I am not mistaken as well.
The Loss is not removing the Moderators, it was the entire past situation as a whole actually. I joined the board under her encouragement, and she did work hard making the main banner for the site, and monitoring the forums as an active Mod. She also has quite a high post count as well.
I'm sure you are am okay admin, but the events of the past have lead me to believe otherwise. It was TTF who was the fit admin all along. I recall standing up for you as your very Moderator, and TTF as an admin, against John Dray and Graham when the accounts were being created. We all advised you to remove him, and you never did listen to us. I was removed by Graham as a Mod, and he even deleted 200 of your own topics. Then you decided to take away his power on the board, after he dealt his damage. It never did sound logical to me. I would have cut the head off the snake immediately before anything got hurt.
So I'm not too sure, it was Lee after all who noticed the danger, and you did let wrost come to worst before removing him as Admin. He's a good guy, but he made a mistake with the problems he caused.
I know you haven't stopped us. But I have lost faith providing my opinions and the opinions of my friend Lee were ignored, and then we were both removed. The past is what it is and I'd rather not have history repeat itself. Personal choice. Things can be corrected though. We'll see.
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Hello,
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If you feel you don't need Moderators at this time, that is your buisness. Waiting until it is more active for Moderators does sound like a wise idea. However, I saw no point in removing Lee regardless, and as I notice from previous posts you didn't alert the staff of this change. Lee resigned if I am not mistaken as well.
As well as the reasons I have already stated I wanted to run the board on my own for a while. The reason why the staff were not alerted is because none of them where using the forum and at the time. I had removed them only temporarily but when I decided not to have any moderators for a while they still were not around.
No, Lee did not resign and in fact I did speak to Lee a few months ago and agreed that she could have her Admin status back but I have not seen her since.
I have decided that I want to run the board on my own again now.
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I'm sure you are am okay admin, but the events of the past have lead me to believe otherwise. It was TTF who was the fit admin all along. I recall standing up for you as your very Moderator, and TTF as an admin, against John Dray and Graham when the accounts were being created. We all advised you to remove him, and you never did listen to us. I was removed by Graham as a Mod, and he even deleted 200 of your own topics. Then you decided to take away his power on the board, after he dealt his damage. It never did sound logical to me. I would have cut the head off the snake immediately before anything got hurt.
I was the one who discovered what John Dray was doing even before he started posting at TDTSC and before he started his own forum. I got rid of him at the best possible time. I was in complete control over the situation.
I did remove Graham straight away however I did let him back for reasons I do not wish to talk about here. I also noticed what John Dray was doing when Graham returned which I stopped straight away. However I should have removed Graham again sooner but he was being useful at the time.
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So I'm not too sure, it was Lee after all who noticed the danger, and you did let worst come to worst before removing him as Admin. He's a good guy, but he made a mistake with the problems he caused.
I also noticed it straight away. No I had stopped the situation before I even had a good reason to remove him as Admin.
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I know you haven't stopped us. But I have lost faith providing my opinions and the opinions of my friend Lee were ignored, and then we were both removed. The past is what it is and I'd rather not have history repeat itself. Personal choice. Things can be corrected though. We'll see.
Actually, I did not ignore you. If both of you had been using the board at the time then you would both still be staff members. The agreement/terms of a Global moderator clearly states that if moderators are not active they can be removed without reason.
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Nonsense Tom. The PM option was always available, and you know quite well that I am available on my TSOLD board, in fact you have visited, haven't you? Email is also an option. There are several ways to alert the members, and we were all active when Graham and John Dray were at large. ALL of us, and we even chatted with you on MSN messenger at the time. I was removed while still posting on the board, replying to John Dray. Most of us departed after your idleness about the situation became an issue, and Graham was left to dominate as admin and cause more problems. I had been removed as mod and Graham was Admin, then I became "inactive."
Had you actually been responsible Tom, as you claim remvoing Graham "straight away" and such, maybe 200 of TDTSC's topics would not have been deleted. But you are held accountable for that, you gave him that power despire the choas he caused on the boards. Therefore, I hardly believe you had any control over the situation. You had the knowlege, yes, but couldn't conduct the proper actions.
Feel free to run your own board on your own, that is your right. I would rather not belong to it providing I trust it has flawed administration. Had Lee still been an admin, I would have more trust in the board. But she isn't and even she couldn't convince you Graham was a bad apple until you saw it for yourself.
I'm not going to play this little quote game with you Tom. I've been direct as it is and I've also managed to prove your facts are faulty. Take this to PM if you'd like to reply, but I see no sense in doing so.
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Well, first off sorry wills as I know this is completely off topic.
It was not Graham who removed your moderator privilege, it was me.
I removed it as to be honest I never really wanted another moderator (nothing personnel to you). It was Lee who wanted you as a moderator, which is why I agreed to it.
When I made you a moderator I showed you the moderator agreement which included "A Global Moderator might have their privilege removed if they do not appear to be online (on the forums they moderate) for more than 10 days unless an administrator is informed by them prior to their absence. With or without explanation ". You did not appear to be online so I removed your moderator privilege.
Nobody was active when I brought him back.
It's my board and I have the choice who I have moderating it.
It was not Graham who was directly responsible for the trouble.
I give him a second chance which I know I should not have done but he had been a very good administrator for a long time.
As for flawed administration I don't agree and like I have already said I am the one who chooses who I have as my staff members.
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Hello Tom ,
Thanks for apologizing however the thread was started by you so you can do pretty much whatever .
Also I agree with Tom it is his choice and before I was removed I did get a pm from him. He did ask me if I still want to be a mod.
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No one said you didn't have the choice to do as you wish. However, I was not given notice of this action, AND I was active the entire time, both on TDTSC and on MSN messenger chatting with you and Lee about Graham at the time. So clearly I was in accordance with your rules. Besides, Graham was inactive for a long period of time, and remained an Admin. So... hmm..
I agree you did have enough Mods at the time, but you fired me and kept Graham? Really now, but I suppose the 200 topics deleted is enough to show you that you've made a mistake. Not that I really care, it is just reasoning for me not to return really, because unlike you I do believe the site has flawed administraton that I cannot trust. You can even go ahead and ban me which still wouldn't make a difference, I no longer plan to be active.
Also, if you are really that sorry to wills I trust you would have used the PM option to reply. But as she stated, it doesn't matter so go ahead. However, keep in mind I have no interest in this discussion, the past is what it is and I couldn't care about your false excuses. quote:
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Well, first off sorry wills as I know this is completely off topic.
It was not Graham who removed your moderator privilege, it was me.
I removed it as to be honest I never really wanted another moderator (nothing personnel to you). It was Lee who wanted you as a moderator, which is why I agreed to it.
When I made you a moderator I showed you the moderator agreement which included "A Global Moderator might have their privilege removed if they do not appear to be online (on the forums they moderate) for more than 10 days unless an administrator is informed by them prior to their absence. With or without explanation ". You did not appear to be online so I removed your moderator privilege.
Nobody was active when I brought him back.
It's my board and I have the choice who I have moderating it.
It was not Graham who was directly responsible for the trouble.
I give him a second chance which I know I should not have done but he had been a very good administrator for a long time.
As for flawed administration I don't agree and like I have already said I am the one who chooses who I have as my staff members.
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