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JByard
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Re: 2005 Cameron Expedition
I know this is sort of a dead thread, but I just wanted to say that I saw the rerun show, and I loved it.
The turkish baths were so wonderful, and to see Cameron so excited about the Straus's suite was perfect.
I also got a 9 on the quiz.. and it actually told me something I am debating about on another board.. so I"m going to use that link to prive me right agasint a 12 year old....LOL
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Aug/7/2005, 7:40 pm
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Mr Titanic
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Re: 2005 Cameron Expedition
As a note. If you noticed the Cameron Special aired twice. When the discovery special initially aired, there was a problem with the live feed link, and it didn't air until later that evening. Subsequent re-airings included the live feed that was missing from the premiere. The expedition is *still* down at the Titanic wreck, and they're still filming. They have 400+ hours of new footage, from this past week alone. The eventual DVD version release of the special will contain much more information and footage that did not make it on the Discovery Channel.
A Watertight Bulkhead seperates the Turkish Baths from the Swimming Bath, when Cameron was exploring, he found this door to be closed. Therefore he could not explore the pool. As we know, the pool was indeed placed over the boilers to keep the water within it warm.
I am pleased to know the downblast theories have been incorperated into the program. However, I am surprised it took this long for it to be accepted. Even Ballards footage reveals how it effected the aft end of the Bow, and the entire stern section! The gash in the hull produced when the Bow bashed into the Ocean Floor will (as stated)will be used as an enterence to the boiler (engine) rooms. hopfully they can explore the Coal Bunker ( Number 6) that contained a Coal Fire within it, and may have contributed to the disaster, or quicker sinking. And as we all do hope, maybe this curiosity expressed by Cameron will inspire others to attempt expeditions to Titanic.
I obtained some pictures for all of us to see. Particulary area's of the ship being explored, as seen through the work of computers in 3D color!
Swimming Bath
Turkish Baths
Boiler Rooms
Regards,
James
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Aug/8/2005, 9:32 pm
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MurdochsAid
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Re: 2005 Cameron Expedition
Thank you millions, Mr. T., for those awesome photos!!! I have always wanted to know what the pool looks like, and how it was kept heated. Now I know.  Did you know that Margaret Tobin Brown's First Class E deck suite is located just above the pool, which is down on F deck? Someone over on TT pointed that out to me.
Also, the two different colored tile in the Turkish Bath, shines much brighter in your photo. What a beautiful place it once was!? But then, I have always been a sucker for anything  . One of those fellas sitting on one of the lounges looks familiar, doesn't he? Is he, Bruce Ismay? :heyy:
Bet JC's research team will be using one of the blow pumps that blow sand away from Titanic's damaged bow section where she scraped up against the berg...so that they can get one of the bots into that forward boiler room. Won't they?
And lastly, when will that DVD on JC's final exploration be coming out?
MA
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Aug/9/2005, 9:58 am
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Mr Titanic
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Re: 2005 Cameron Expedition
Your Welcome just the same MA! I too wanted to veiw the pool through colored image as well, however I beleive the black and white does the ship more justice. Well at least as far as the 3D is concerend. More classy really. However we do get an idea of how the passengers viewed these interiors at their time. And no, I had not been aware of that MA, Thank's for pointing that out. You still post at TT?
As for the Turkish Baths. Can you see the farmilliar "Half Sphere" bronze design over near the gentleman? Recall the Cameron special's discovery of it and it's palm design textures? And the gentleman, if you remember from Ghosts of the Abyss, Ken Marshall had portraid Bruce Ismay in the reinactments. This takes place as he now sits in the Turkish Baths, most likley as Ismay once again.
Well the bow had burried itself, what about 40-60 feet into the ocean floor? So I am not sure how effective a blower (keep energy in mind) will be. However, I am aware an X-Ray type method does wonders. I beleive they will either use the Cargo Hatch or the gash the Ocean Floor collision caused to enter the engine rooms.
As a note, the Titanic's crew were fond of the fact that the Titanic was so clean and new, that they did not even bake in the head below. They didn't have to shift coal in the boilers, only keep them full. During the crash many of them were relaxing.
I am not sure when the DVD will come out, however I am aware that it will. Keep in mind that although they are gathering footage, they will need to sort it out, document it and maybe even write a book! It may take a while, but it's on it's way. I will keep you updated.
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I will tell you that Scotland Road is a mess. It's not passable, mostly because of all the piping that has fallen from the overhead. However, Jim did find an open door in the boiler casing and actually saw the escape ladder used by the escaping boiler-room personnel. So...it looks like we might be able to access the boiler rooms, after all. But that will have to wait for another expedition.
E Deck is trashed as far as we can tell, both forward end and aft, port side and starboard. No Bostwick gate was found and Jim could never get into the area off the staircase to look for Molly Brown's stateroom.
Jim learned a lesson from a silt-out near the Squash Court that will serve as a model for a future exploration of the boiler rooms. Simply put, you need 2 bots, operating in mutual support, to reach the boiler rooms.
The stokehold fan room in front of the #1 funnel has an open door, so too does the fan room outside the Turkish Bath. This is encouraging...maybe the door to the stokehold fan room next to the Swimming Bath is open; if so, then we might be able to reach the Swimming Bath through the stokehold vent in the future.
Jim doesn't believe that the Strauses died in their room...that was dramatic license for the film. Do not take your history from films, even Cameron's "Titanic." We did not expect to find their skeletons in the remains of their bedroom, which, by the way, is totally obliterated. Only the area around the fireplace in the sitting room survived, thanks to the protection offered by a steel web frame just forward.
James
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Aug/9/2005, 10:25 pm
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MurdochsAid
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Re: 2005 Cameron Expedition
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Your Welcome just the same MA! I too wanted to veiw the pool through colored image as well, however I beleive the black and white does the ship more justice. Well at least as far as the 3D is concerend. More classy really. However we do get an idea of how the passengers viewed these interiors at their time. And no, I had not been aware of that MA, Thank's for pointing that out. You still post at TT?
No, I don't. I was told this important piece of information by a TT member, way before I got banned by Hattie & Andy Clarkeson.
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As for the Turkish Baths. Can you see the farmilliar "Half Sphere" bronze design over near the gentleman? Recall the Cameron special's discovery of it and it's palm design textures? And the gentleman, if you remember from Ghosts of the Abyss, Ken Marshall had portraid Bruce Ismay in the reinactments. This takes place as he now sits in the Turkish Baths, most likley as Ismay once again.
Oh yeah, I see the "Half Sphere" now, next to that crewman holding the towels. I don't know if whether or not I mentioned it in an earlier post. But atleast I'm better late than never. Aren't I?:heyy:
Somehow, I just knew that that fellow sitting to the right, is Bruce Ismay... but, I wasn't too sure.=D
MA
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Aug/10/2005, 8:42 am
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Mr Titanic
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Re: 2005 Cameron Expedition
Quite So MA!
Well I have a few opinions to voice about the airing.
You can clearly tell how much of Dr. Pellegrino's work has been incorperated into these programs. Regardless, It's interesting to know the 'Live feed link' encountered problems, providing that the show did indeed air twice with farmilliar footage. I beleive they should have used the first program to present the "Ghosts of the Abyss" and Cameron 1997 clips, and used the second one, when the cable was repaired, to show the world new Titanic footage. And providing they are still down there new footage would still be present to place on the expected DVD. Only an opinion, however I am pleased to be aware that new information has been found about Titanic, and that it will eventually make it's way to the public. I'm excited, Dr. Pellegrino's thories, and new Titanic clips in one DVD is bound to be just as exciting as the 2001 "Ghosts of the Abyss" release.
UPDATE:
E-Deck contains much wreckage providing the pipes and such that fell from the celing now contributing to debris in these third class (Lower Deck) area's.
The Marconi Room has suffered a major collapse. The area directly above the the Silent Room is initially intact, yet a new hole has been discovered to have opened there over the switchboards. It is beleived that it will not be long before that portion too, will fall inward.
[Parks' Observations].
New Information will be posted shortly.
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Map from the Dicovery's Titanic Explorer. Emphasis by Me.
Okay, here is a map layout of the Turkish Baths.
Those Outlined in Red are the main Turkish Baths.
Rooms outlined in Blue are the landing of the Grand Staircase.
Those outlined in Green are W.T.D. or in other words - WaterTight Doors. As a note, if you recall from my previous post, these doors were found shut, which is why the swimming bath was not explored.
If you look to port (or up) you will notice the "Turkish Bath Attendants" area. The starboard hull is outlined in Black.
James
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Aug/11/2005, 6:11 pm
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Lights
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Re: 2005 Cameron Expedition
Wow! Great Job on posting these pics. Thanks, Mr. Titanic! I got a shiver down my spine seeing those boilers and that Turkish bath again.
I am of two minds on another dive. Yes, it is lovely to see the Lady but sad to see how she deteriorates more with each expedition.
I saw the special and quite frankly I was blown away to see how much of her has survived. But I have always thought that the lower in the ship one could get, the more preservation would be found. I didn't think I would be especially happy to see Cameron go down there again, as the deterioration visible in Ghosts of the Abyss was very sad to see. However, I found myself happy to see that he found the Turkish Baths and that they are in relatively good condition. Great, actually when you consider how hard the bow section must have hit the seafloor.
Oh yeah, I took the test and I, too am a Titanic historian...lol.
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Aug/23/2005, 5:48 pm
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Mr Titanic
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Re: 2005 Cameron Expedition
You all are quite welcome. I too receive shivers when experiencing so much excitment as to see the ships interiors. Although I agree with you Lights, there is more to that thought. The idea is, yes the Titanic is disintegrating, yet in order to preserve memories of her while repecting the wreck, the only true way to do so is to document and explore as much of our ship as possible, before it no longer is possible.
It's true that the lower you do decend the more preservation should reveal itself. However the Baths were preserved best providing the materials that made them up were immune to deterioration. Such as teak and tile. It's the design however, on the tile that remains which is by far shocking. Although, the idea of downblast and hitting the ocean floor is a thought one should take into consideration. I believe that area of the ship slightly slid into place, where the forward part of the bow rammed the ocean floor, though the shudder does show it's effects on the hull (wrinkles), I'd love to know how it effected the baths. Maybe it was what caused the flipping of the preserved furniture out of place? I like to think so.
Congratulations on your Score! Welcome to our club of Titanic Historians!
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Aug/24/2005, 9:47 pm
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MurdochsAid
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Re: 2005 Cameron Expedition
Wait till you see the *new* History Channel Titanic special... you'll be totally floored after see pieces of her hull bottom still newly painted in her standard waterline red paint.  :heyy:
Check out my new TITANIC's Final Moments: Missing Pieces thread in this same forum.
-MA
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Feb/20/2006, 3:53 pm
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Lights
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Re: 2005 Cameron Expedition
I finally got to see that special and it was a mind-blower to see the anti-fouling paint still there!
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May/8/2006, 10:14 am
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