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MurdochsAid
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 TITANIC's Final Moments: Missing Pieces
This coming February 26th (2-days before First Officer William McMaster Murdoch's 133rd birthday), Sunday, the History Channel will be airing--"TITANIC's Final Moments: Missing Pieces" at around 9 p.m. (MST). Please do check your local TV listings for your own correct air time.
In August 2005, John Chatterton and Richie Kohler, hosts of Deep Sea Detectives, led an expedition to the wreck of RMS TITANIC. Diving 2 1/2 miles down in an Russian submersible, they searched outside the known debris field for new evidence. On their final dive they made an extraordinary find: two large intact sections of the bottom of the Titanic in pristine conditions with the red paint still on them.
For 4 months, a team of historians, marine architects, and engineers has been conducting a forensic analysis of this find. All agree that it's the most significant new discovery since the wreck was located in 1985. Analysis is ongoing, but preliminary indications are that those bottom sections will change our understanding of how the ship broke apart, and rewrite the story of the final moments of the Titanic.
After the show, join us for a live chat with our deep-sea explorers at: The History Channel/Titanic
-MA
Last edited by MurdochsAid, Feb/20/2006, 3:35 pm
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Feb/20/2006, 9:44 am
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Tiffany Madison
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Re: TITANIC's Final Moments: Missing Pieces
oh, great :sad: I wish I could watch this, It sounds really interesting, I wonder if or when they are showing it in Britain. I remember that documentary with James Cameron last year which aired here a few months after America so hopefully the same will happen again. I'll look out for it in the future.
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Feb/20/2006, 3:18 pm
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MurdochsAid
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Re: TITANIC's Final Moments: Missing Pieces
Oooh, hang in there, TM, the History Channel will eventually air the above documentary over there in the UK as well too. :heyy:
-MA
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Feb/20/2006, 3:39 pm
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Mr Titanic
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Re: TITANIC's Final Moments: Missing Pieces
I have been waiting to see this, and now that it's near, I can hardly wait at all! Actually, this program is meant to elaborate on the new find/theory mentioned Here.
This really should be interesting. The theory itself was stated vaugly by the press and this program is sure to clear up some confusion, and hopefully provide enough information to determine whether this concept is valid or not.
I've decided to make this thread a sticky.
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Feb/20/2006, 4:21 pm
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MurdochsAid
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Re: TITANIC's Final Moments: Missing Pieces
Michael Harris' theory seen here (under my post) just may prove to be right on...if this latest dive down to is what I think it might be about. Especially now that they've found those to red-painted keel sections of the ship.
Mr Titanic, are you too, thinking the same thing I am?
--MA
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Feb/20/2006, 8:15 pm
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MurdochsAid
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Re: TITANIC's Final Moments: Missing Pieces
Tonight, is *the* night that this program airs... and We're really looking forward to it too! 
-MA
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Feb/26/2006, 12:11 pm
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Mr Titanic
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Re: TITANIC's Final Moments: Missing Pieces
I can hardly wait! :D
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Feb/26/2006, 12:24 pm
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MurdochsAid
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Re: TITANIC's Final Moments: Missing Pieces
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Mr Titanic Wrote:
I can hardly wait! :D
Me too!!!  Infact, I have my channel permanently set on the History Channal, for which I'm watching a documentary on Adolf Hitler's Bismark warship. 
Before TFM:MP comes on, there are going to be two documentaries come on that are about the Bermuda Triangle.
--MA
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Feb/26/2006, 5:35 pm
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Mr Titanic
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Re: TITANIC's Final Moments: Missing Pieces
Well Walter Lord in "A Night to Remember" using actual testimonies from Titanic's crew, as well as Dr. Pellegrino in "Ghosts of the Titanic" mentioned the idea of Water literally seen rising up through the steel plates that the floor (double bottom) itself was composed of in the forward compartments! The "grounding" theory is not anything new, however the find to support it is quite valid. I simply cannot believe two sections that match up perfectly like pieces of a puzzle spanning the entire width of the hull have been located. And the idea that it was in areas of the debris field not yet explored is beyond what I could possibly ever describe. The coal trail (or runway) is interesting in the sense that I believe it was created as the stern made it's way towards the ocean floor. The team mentioned the many heavy objects within the stern that were ejected to form a debris field, a fine reference to the term the didn't mention - downblast. The idea of the break up was rather silly, the forces that came into play (I.e.: ripping loose on top, pushing in on bottom) are indeed correct. But all the bending in and out was something a bit too creative.
In reality, when a structure like Titanic is bent, you can imagine it as a cone in the center of a paper towel holder [cardboard tube]. When that cone is bent in half, it's sides bend outwards, which likely contributed to the whole sections of hull found torn loose from bilge keel to bilge keel. Not this excessive tearing out and pulling in method that needs more explanation. Those who dove on the expedition knew absolutely nothing.. they referred to the ship's features as "those things that did" such and such. It was annoying. I have a cut signed by the expedition leader, as well as a plaque!  I'm pleased to know it is from this one too. I am personal enthralled by the Titanic as a whole, yet the stern itself has always held some sort of mysterious lure for me. The bow now seems to be so active, the stern, ignored and distant as if another form of a tranquil world. It is as if staring up at a gothic cathedral, it's so tragic or even dark, and all the while somehow, in it's own complex way, beautiful. I was very pleased it too was explored, and the footage was a neat extra. Though, if the team was looking for steel, the place to clearly look is the Debris field, the Bow is relatively intact, and not much debris surrounds it. The traumas the bow encountered are simple: The Cargo hold's cover was blown off, the bow was imbedded 60 feet in mud, and downblast flattened it's decks like an accordion. On the stern, evaporators, condensers, boilers and other objects including the hull itself were blasted out as projectiles. That's the place to start.
Thing about TV programs is they repeat everything and stress details I already know. I was talking to Lee online and it just killed us, the constant reference to 1912 and the drama. Oh, and commercials. The find was worth it though. After all, Titanic programs for the most part, just recycled information with a new layer of icing on the cake. I disliked the man's (Richie I trust it was?) "Titanic Moments" and comments. That degraded the quality of the program, because I think I speak for everyone when I say : No one cares about you. We are in it for the ship bud. However we can conclude from the evidence that the sections found were fro the break up, that area was not damaged by the iceberg providing Officer Murdoch swung the stern out of the way before impact in that section of the ship.
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Feb/27/2006, 5:08 pm
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MurdochsAid
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Re: TITANIC's Final Moments: Missing Pieces
The History Channel again, aired TFM: MP last night! This time, I was able to obsorb it more, than when they originally aired it. I was totally overwhelmed by it the first time...so therefore--the 2nd or third time is always the charm.
Those two large double-bottom keel pieces they found south of Titanic's forward bow section...I too, could not figure how they managed to fit those pieces together like a jigsaw puzzle. Because the two ends they joined together did not look like they could fit.
But I did see that they were Titanic's keel sections...and understood how when Will thought she was clear of the berg, when she apparently rode up on that unseen ice shelf that he could not see below the surface of the water. Hence therefore--causing that scraping grinding sound, many of her passengers may have heard that dreadful night of April 14, 1912. That part did make lots of sense! Plus, like they said, there was no moon; and Will and the lookouts, Frederick Fleet & Reginald Lee could not see the water lapping at the base of the icebergs...due to the unusually calm sea. Making it just ripe for a disaster to happen.
But the question still remains, was speed the contributing factor behind it all, and could the disaster be avoided?  
--MA
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Mar/5/2006, 10:03 am
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